Podľa mňa je veľký prínos filmu F9/11 nielen v jeho obsahu, ale aj vo forme.
Ak si pozrieme doterajšie využitie médií v USA, vyzeralo to asi takto: noviny, rozhlas a webové stránky obsahovali aj provládne aj protivládne názory (netvrdím, že v rovnakom pomere, len že sa tam našlo obidvoje); televízia však bola výlučne provládna. Inými slovami, protivládne názory sa dali vyjadriť písmom a hovoreným slovo, ale nie obrazom.
Žiaľ, žijeme v dobe, keď si väčšina ľudí zvykla prijímať informácie z televízie. Pozrieť si televízne noviny je pohodlnejšie ako listovať v novinách papierových; navyše za papierové noviny treba platiť, televíziu má človek zvyčajne už zaplatenú kvôli iným programom.
Filmy ako F9/11 objavujú nové priestory ako vysloviť protivládne názory. Možno sa aj budúci autori poučia... a ako protiváha televízií typu CNN sa začnú v kinách (a na internete) zjavovať dokumenty ukazujúce odlišný pohľad. Televízia má už našej spoločnosti pevné miesto; raz možno bude mať aj demokracia pevné miesto v televízii.
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Peter Gürtler (25.08.2004 13:06:29)
Re: Historický počin
Ano.
Potom vsak bude mozno v spolocnosti prevladat
ine (nove) medium (komunikacny kanal) - a ten
zrejme opat ovladne aktualna elita ("elita")...
Teda: podstata asi nie je v tom, ci TV, radio,
noviny, al. internet, ale v charaktere spolocnosti.
Ano, dnes je vsak podstatne to, co uvadzas.
Mna vsak zaujima, ci bude v slovenskych mediach
venovana taka publicita tomuto filmu, ako Umuceniu
Krista (UK). F9/11 je v celosvetovom meradle nesporne
vyznamnejsi ako UK (mam na mysli samozrejme myslienkovy
odkaz filmov) - na slovenskom medialnom trhu vsak (az na
male vynimky) po F9/11 akoby zalahla zem (nie, necudujem
sa tomu, iba porovnavam).
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Viliam Búr (26.08.2004 15:38:38)
Re: Re: Historický počin
V médiách sa tomu asi toľko venovať nebudú. Dôležité je, že sa o filme môže diskutovať na internete, a že si ho bežní ľudia môžu vymieňať napríklad napálený na CDčku. Nie je to síce rovnako účinné, ako keby sa filmu venovala "oficiálna" pozornosť, ale je to aspoň niečo, k čomu môže priložiť ruku každý z nás. Podobne ako sa kedysi vydávali "samizdaty", dnes to budú... hmmm... ako len nazvať tie potajme napálené CDčka? Slovo "samopaly" už je obsadené.
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luk (01.09.2004 00:17:30)
Historický počin?
Zdravim,
rad by som sa Vas spytal na Vas nazor na takyto clanok :
http://www.davekopel.org/Terror/Fiftysix-Deceits-in-Fahrenheit-911.htm
Bral som niektore casti z F9/11 ako pravdu, ale teraz mi je z toho "dokumentu" zle.
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g.w.bush (02.03.2006 18:51:09)
Re: Historický počin?
Moore má pravdu, ja som ten naj ... debil v Amerike a dovoľujem si povedať aj na celom svete, priznávam sa!
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Podobne pokusy zdiskreditovat M. Moora (ale aj hocikoho ineho) ma ani trocha nedojimaju. Moore ma dnes uz samozrejme k dispozicii celu armadu "factcheckerov" (ak je nieco tak trosku podvod, tak je to dojem "osameleho bojovnika", ktory vo filmoch vyvolava), a ti sa presnostou udajov dlho dopredu zaoberaju. Z tohto dovodu ani nikto nikdy Moora nezaloval, pretoze sa velmi dobre vie, ze na sude by tvrdenia o "podvodoch" neobstali.
Vo velkom projekte sa moze samozrejme vzdy stat, ze nieco obcas ujde, samozrejme, ale nazyvat to "podvodom" (deceit) je silna kava. Moore, tak ako hocikto iny, si velmi dobre vie spocitat, ci lepsie zaposobi lahko odhalitelny podvod, alebo do tvrdenie overene do najmensich podrobnosti (i ked samozrejme, stopercentnu istotu nemame nikdy).
Konkretne k tomuto clanku - postup p. Kopela dost dobre dokumentuju uz prve "podvody", o ktorych v pripade filmu hovori:
1) Spomina uvod filmu, kde Al Gore oslavuje na podiu s transparentom "Florida Victory". Potom Moora "obvini", ze podvadza, pretoze v case tejto oslavy sa volby este neskoncili. Nepokusa sa vsak vyvratit nijaky Moorov vyrok. Ani nemoze, pretoze nic podobne Moore vo filme samozrejme netvrdi. Jednoducho ukazuje zabery z realneho deja, ktory sa skutocne odohral tak, ako ho ukazuje. Pan Kopel si vsak vymysli vlastnu interpretaciu filmu, nezhodujucu sa so skutocnostou, potom ju vitazoslavne vyvrati - a tym "dokaze" Moorov podvod. (Mimochodom, p. Kopel neovlada ani svoj vlastny jazyk, t. j. anglictinu - tvrdi totiz, ze Moore pouzil predminuly cas, aby podporil dojem, ze volby sa uz skoncili. Lenze citovana veta z filmu znie "And little Stevie Wonder, he seemed so happy, like a miracle had taken place" - co nie je nic menej a nic viac, ako jednoducho gramaticky spravna konstrukcia; predminuly cas sa pouziva vtedy, ked sa jeden dej odohral pred druhym, presne ako v tomto pripade. V slovencine by sa nieco podobne dalo mozno naznacit asi takto: "A maly Steve Wonder _bol_ naradovany, ako keby sa _bol byval_ odohral zazrak (t. j. zazrak sa musel pochopitelne odohrat predtym, ako sa on mohol zacat z neho radovat). Keby sme sa pridrzali zdraveho rozumu, nebolo by treba hladat za kazdym gramatickym rohom sprisahanie).
2) P. Kopel dokazuje, ze to boli CNN a CBS, ktore stiahli tvrdenie o vitazstve A. Gorea ako prve. Opat jedno velke jeho vitazstvo, ktore vsak uplne mina ciel. Moore predsa _netvrdi_, ze to boli Fox News, ktore stiahli ako prve _slova o Gorovom vitazstve_. On tvrdi, ze Fox News ako prve _vyhlasili za vitaza Busha_. A toto nepopiera ani p. Kopel. A nepopiera to opat preto, lebo to popriet nemoze, kedze je to jednoducho lahko overitelny fakt. Lenze je starostlivo ukryty v omacke plnej podruznych podrobnosti.
A tak dalej, a tak podobne. P. Kopel sa nemoze opriet do faktov, pretoze tie sedia. Vadi mu, ze na ne Moore upozornuje, a tak sa snazi divakovi dokazat, ze by to robit nemal. Nuz, ale to uz je jeho problem, nie problem nejakych "podvodov".
V zivote su vsak aj dolezitejsie veci, ako sa piplat v paranoickych vyvodoch pravicovych extremistov (odporucam pozriet si aj zvysok stranky p. Kopela). Podobnych zlatanin je na internete vela a uz po niekolkych odstavcoch sa daju lahko rozoznat. Nemozem si pomoct - na traktat p. Kopela sa jednoducho najlepsie hodi charakteristika, ktoru sa on snazi nasit na Moora:
"cleverly blending half-truths to deceive the viewer" (sikovne zmiesava dokopy polopravdy, aby zviedol divaka - v tomto pripade citatela).
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aa (13.11.2005 22:35:01)
Vzhľadom na to, že text tohto komentára porušil pravidlá slušného rozhovoru, bol zo systému vymazaný.
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Where is the truth?
Pozrite si film "911 in Plane site".Raz bol o tejto teorii v Živote krátky článok,ale to bol jediný pokus o iný uhol pohladu.Odvtedy sa redaktori tejto témz volajako boja.Go to www.letsroll911.org.
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